Tsubanashi Bokken, Jo & Tanto [Aikido Set]

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Available fonts (style) 4 Japanese fonts, 3 English fonts
Depth The stronger the laser, the deeper the engraving. Superficial is quite discreet, standard is deep enough to stand forever, deep can go up to 1 mm depth and creates a burning effect within the engraving.
Free transcriptions You can write your name in English and select a "Japanese" font, in which case we will take care of the transcription. Note that several translations exist for the same name and that we cannot accept claims. (Please use the text field to add a comment if the pronunciation is unusual. If you already have a translation, please attach a picture). We do not translate expressions or initials, only names or words. Requests for expressions translations will be ignored and refunded. Please also note that initials cannot be translated into Japanese. Consequently, they will always be engraved in English.
Number of engravings You can order a maximum of 3 engravings per weapon from this page. The modules N1, N2, and N3 correspond to the engravings Number 1, number 2, and number 3. These modules are identical and you can add them in the order you wish. Of course, we cannot engrave twice in the same place, so please pay attention to the chosen positions.
For more than 3 engravings, please contact us prior to placing your order.
Limitations We engrave in Japanese and English only (no Chinese, Korean, etc.) For any special request (logo/design), contact us prior to your order. (Undiscussed demands will be ignored).
More information Engraving Information & Japanese free translation (on site), Transcription usages (Seido Blog), and the engraving workshop presentation (Youtube)
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Bokken Laser Engraving - N°1

  • Position: Right or left (when held) | handle, near Tsuba or blade
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm), big (~10 mm), extra big (~12 mm)
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Bokken.
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    Bokken Laser Engraving - N°2

  • Position: Right or left (when held) | handle, near Tsuba or blade
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm), big (~10 mm), extra big (~12 mm)
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Bokken.
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    Bokken Laser Engraving - N°3

  • Position: Right or left (when held) | handle, near Tsuba or blade
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm), big (~10 mm), extra big (~12 mm)
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    Jo, Bo & Hanbo Laser Engraving - N°1

  • Position: bottom, center or top (we recommend bottom).
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm), big (~10 mm), extra big (~12 mm)
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Jo/Bo/Hanbo. 
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    Jo, Bo & Hanbo Laser Engraving - N°2

  • Position: bottom, center or top (we recommend bottom).
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm), big (~10 mm), extra big (~12 mm)
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Jo/Bo/Hanbo. 
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    Jo, Bo & Hanbo Laser Engraving - N°3

  • Position: bottom, center or top (we recommend bottom).
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm), big (~10 mm), extra big (~12 mm)
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Jo/Bo/Hanbo. 
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    Tanto Laser Engraving - N°1

  • Position: Right or left (when held) | handle, bottom of the blade or blade
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm) or big (~10 mm). 
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Tanto.
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    Tanto Laser Engraving - N°2

  • Position: Right or left (when held) | handle, bottom of the blade or blade
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm) or big (~10 mm). 
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Tanto.
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    Tanto Laser Engraving - N°3

  • Position: Right or left (when held) | handle, bottom of the blade or blade
  • Letter size: standard (~7.5 mm) or big (~10 mm). 
  • Up to 3 engravings can be added per Tanto.
  • Recommended Accessories

    Carry Bag Bokken/Jo/Tanto (nylon)
    Bokken & Jo Linen bag
    Tsubaki Abura (Camellia Oil)
    ¥7,600

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    Nylon Reinforced Bokken/Jo/Tanto Bag

    Made in Japan

    Material: Nylon and Synthetic Leather

    Length: 130 cm | Width: 10.5 cm Weight: 350 g

    Available Colors: Navy Blue or Black

    Name Plate Option: Synthetic leather plate with embroidered name (maximum 1 name)

    With its total length of 130 cm, this bag allows storage of a full Aikido weapon set including Bokken, Jo, and Tanto.
    This bag is made ​​of a nylon composite used to make the sails of ships, extremely strong, but also water resistant, it is available in navy blue or black.
    The bottom part is reinforced with synthetic leather. The adaptable shoulder strap ensures a comfortable transport and the push closure allows fast opening and closing. Two additional tightening straps allow the fixation of the weapons so that they do not collide. This bag features also an external pocket for Tsuba / Tsubadome and last but not least, the Tanto pocket on the inside allows the storage of a standard length Tanto ( 30 cm maximum)!

    "Name Plate" Option (+1,000 JPY): Optionally, you can add a name plate embroidered with your name. This plate is made of synthetic leather, and will be directly integrated on the bag before shipping.
    Please note: given the little space available, it is only possible to embroider either a first name, a last name, or a word (Aikido, Aikibudo etc.)
    For more information about Japanese embroidery, please consult the page "How to Choose your Japanese Embroidery".

    ¥6,400 ~ ¥7,600
    ¥6,400

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    Carry bag with shoulder strap for Bokken and Jo

    Made in Japan

    Material: Cotton & Linen

    Length: 144 cm | Width : 11 cm | Weight: 170 g

    Available Color: Brown Only

    Solid cotton and linen cover for carrying a Bokken & Jo or two Jo. Synthetic leather reinforcement at the bottom of the cover, adjustable shoulder strap, and two lateral straps to prevent weapons from colliding. The cover can hold weapons of a maximum length of maximally 135 cm.

    "Name Plate" Option (+1,000 JPY): Optionally, you can add a name plate embroidered with your name. This plate is made of synthetic leather, and will be directly integrated on the bag before shipping.
    Please note: given the little space available, it is only possible to embroider either a first name, a last name, or a word (Aikido, Aikibudo etc.)
    For more information about Japanese embroidery, please consult the page "How to Choose your Japanese Embroidery".

    ¥2,000 ~ ¥37,200
    ¥2,000

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    Camellia Oil - Tsubaki abura

    Made in Japan (Isu Islands)

    Ingredient: 100% Tsubaki Oil

    Size: 70 mL (2,3 oz) / 118 mL (3.9 oz) / 1 L (33.8 oz) / 1.8 L (60.9 oz)

    This oil has been produced on the island of Toshima (Isu Shoto), off Tokyo, for more than a century. It is used by many Japanese wood workers as well as specialists in ancient blade (shinken) who are looking for a more stable oil than the Choji oil.

    The 70 and 118 mL are conditionned in glass bottles. 1 and 1.8 L are conditionned in metal cans. Cans are not available in stock and require about a week before shipping.

    Treatment with Camellia oil is recommended by the craftsmen who make our wooden weapons. The regular oiling is necessary for unvarnished weapons. It is recommended also for the maintenance of Iaito and Shinken.

    Utilization on wooden weapons:
    Once every 2 months in the wet season, 2 times per month during dry season. For a better preservation of your weapons, it is advisable to carefully rub them with a dry cloth after each use. When you apply the oil, clean the wood surface by rubbing vigorously with a dry cloth, then apply the oil in a thin layer directly with the hand. Allow to dry.
    If your weapons are not painted it will not be necessary to sand, but if they are, sanding will help the wood to absorb more oil.

    Note that this Camelia oil is initialy intended for skin and hair care. We've selected this oil for it's unmatched quality: 100% pure camelia oil, no additive, cold pressed, cosmetic grade, almost odorless, and halal certified.

     

    Product Information & Size Chart

    • Tsubanashi Bokken, Jo & Tanto Set - Red Oak / White Oak

      Made in Japan (Kyushu)

      Available in red oak and white oak.

      This set includes a high quality tsubanashi bokken (red oak or white oak), a classic jo (3 diameters to chose from), and a tanto. Each weapon is made from a single piece of wood from the southern islands of Kyushu (Japan).

      The "Superior Tsubanashi Bokken" is manufactured in a single piece of red or white oak from the southern islands of Kyushu (Japan). The design developed by the Seido team remains resolutely classic in its general form with the deletion of the line between tsuka and blade allowing a grip on a much larger portion of the bokken (but prohibiting the use made of a tsuba). This particular finish will be useful to aikido practitioners who do not use tsuba and are hindered by the line when the distance between the hands is important.

      The red oak models are made of high quality Akagashi. White oak such is also more thoroughly selected, notably more dense (and dark) on the standard model.

      The standard thickness of a Jo is 24 mm (8 bu) and the 27, and 30 mm models are designed to work tanren (reinforcement), which is very important in some Aikido schools. The 27 mm model is very strong, which also makes it a great Jo practice with very violent contacts.

      • Choice of wood species: red oak, white oak.
      • Contains: Tsubanashi Bokken, Classic Jo and Deluxe Tanto.
      • Jo Diameter: 24 mm (8bu), 27 mm (9bu) or 30 mm (1 sun).
      • Available finish: Urethane varnish or camellia oil polish.
      • Manufacturing workshop: Aramaki

      Finish options:

      In 2021, with concerns for the workers, all workshops greatly reduced the number of urethane-varnished weapons and replaced the finish with "Candle Wax". Seido is now transitioning to a new finish offer for the majority of its weapons.

      Standard Finish: At Seido, we complete the workshop finish with Camelia oil treatment by default. This is the standard Seido finish.
      We do not apply any additional polishing for this finish, so some weapons might have a slightly rough surface.
      For maintenance, we recommend that you oil your weapons about once a month with a vegetal-based oil.

      Seido Special Finish: For this special Finish, we first apply a Camelia oil polish (oiling and sanding the weapons with oiled sand paper), then we finish the weapon with high-quality beeswax. This finish makes the wood as smooth as it can be and guarantee excellent protection for several months.
      For maintenance, we recommend at least to oil your weapons every month or so. You can also apply wax a few hours after oiling your weapons (if some oil remains on the wood, remove it with a piece of cloth or tissue).

      Tsubanashi Bokken, Jo & Tanto Deluxe - Specifications
      Dimensions Deluxe Bokken Deluxe Jo Deluxe Tanto
      Full length: 101.5 cm 127.6 cm 29 cm
      Blade length: 75.5 cm - 19.5 cm
      Tsuka length: 26 cm - 9.5 cm
      Tsuka diameter: 37 x 26 mm 24, 27 or 30 mm 35 x 24 mm
      Tsukagashira: Hanmaru (roundet butt) - Hanmaru (roundet butt)
      Kissaki: Daikissaki (long) - Shokissaki (short)
      Mine: Kenmine (chevronned) - Hiramine (flat)
      Weight - Akagashi: 480 ~ 580 g 8bu > 450 ~ 550 g
      9bu > 550 ~ 600 g
      1sun > 650 ~ 750 g
      ~100 g
      Weight - Shirakashi: 520 ~ 600 g 8bu > 500 ~ 600 g
      9bu > 600 ~ 700 g
      1sun > 750 ~ 850 g
      ~120 g

      * All prices include shipping (except South America and Africa).

    • Customer Reviews

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      Jeffrey Jacobo (Costa Rica)
      An excellent product and highly recommended, but a poor shipping company chosen

      Español: El equipo es fenomenal, se nota el detalle, la calidad y la durabilidad del material; no tengo quejas con el proceso realizado por Seido, los recomiendo. El único problema fue el envío, pues la empresa que escogieron fue FedEx y fue un dolor de cabeza, no hicieron el proceso de ingreso por la aduana por considerar "armas peligrosas" el paquete, por lo que se cobraron un adicional y al final tampoco me brindaron los paquetes tuve que contratar un servicio de un tercero para tramitar los permisos, al final en procesos administrativos y de bodega pagué un monto igual que el costo del equipo duplicando el gasto. Seido excelente servicio, pero la empresa de envíos fue la peor elección.

      English: The set is phenomenal, the detail, quality and durability of the material is awesome; I have no complaints with the process carried out by Seido, I recommend them. The only problem was the shipment, because the company they chose was FedEx and it was a headache, they did not go through the customs entry process because they considered the package "dangerous weapons", so they charged an additional fee and in the end neither They provided me with the packages. I had to hire a third party service to process the permits. In the end, in administrative and warehouse processes, I paid an amount equal to the cost of the equipment, doubling the cost. Seido excellent service, but the shipping company was the worst choice.

      Thank you very much for your excellent review!

      Unfortunately, the problem was not FedEx, it was Costa Rica's customs.
      We've had issues with UPS and DHL as well in the past, and not a single package that has not been detained by customs for some time/verifications.

      We have a few customers who actually have their packages shipped to the US then forwarded to Costa Rica. We do not know specifically if this works well in Costa Rica, but we have many customers in South America doing this, and they say freight forwarders from the US to South America have their specific routes to avoid such issues.
      We would therefore recommend Costa Ricans to investigate this possibility before ordering directly from us, to the risk of being overcharged for customs procedures.

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      Alexis Adamczak (Merris)
      Parfait

      Produits de très bonnes qualités. Très bien fini.
      Livraison rapide et un suivi au top. Un emballage soigné.

      N'hésitez pas!

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      Dominic (United States)
      Unrivaled Shipping Speed & Craftsmanship

      Not only was I blown away by the speed with which my Tsubanashi Bokken, Jo, and Tanto set came, but I was also extremely pleased with the quality of Seido's craftsmanship. They look even better in person than on the website and are very pleasing to the touch. I shall cherish these always. 心の底からありがとうございます。

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      Jeff (Aikido of Albany)
      Beautifully crafted

      Our dojo practices weapons only due to CV19. When my bokken of 6 years shattered I sought a sturdy replacement. The oil finished Isunoji bokken set was almost too beautiful to kumijo with. The tight, softly auburn wood is sturdy yet gave so that it doesn't appear brittle. It is light and agile. Highly recommended.

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      Lawrence R. (Michigan, United States)
      Isu no Ki hirui no nai

      I must say, Wow! The quality, craftsmanship of the jo, bokken, and tanto are incredible. I do not regret a single penny of what I spent to have this beautiful akagashi set. The grain and stregth of the Isu no Ki wood is superb. I am actually already setting aside funds to order a second set in the future. I will continue to support Seido and their dedication to old world craftsmanship. Arigatōgozaimashita, meiyo aru yūjin.

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      Kurt (U.S.)
      The best

      I have owned only 1 old 8 bu jo and standard bokken since 1989 and I finally gave in to buying something new, though I didn’t need to. These are very long lasting :D

      The new set: white oak oil polished

      The jo is beyond spectacular! 9 bu. There is pareidolia in the grain (wood spirits living in it). To amuse this, I call it forest-spirit-monkey-staff because there are deer track shapes, a heart shape, and a snow monkey face. I’m not accustomed to naming things— like people name cars or a weapon, but this jo has life to it and feels great when I hold it. It suits me perfectly and I’m very fond of the craftsmanship.

      This bokken amazes me. I also bought a Kotobuki bokken by Master Aramaki. Comparing or rating them is impossible. I can only say thank you for both. They will be enjoyed by many generations.

      Seido’s team is also beyond my usual online expectations, and they communicate well.
      I got unexpected personal service, which made my shopping experience pleasant. I wouldn’t order from another company.

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      Aurelie Hebert
      Enchanté

      Sur avis de mon enseignant, j'ai été dirigée vers ce site. Je suis très agréablement surprise de voir une tel efficacité de suivi et de communication pour une commande sur la toile. Quant aux produit ils sont dans la conformité attendue.
      Je tiens à remercier toute l'équipe de seido qui assure dans ces temps.

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      Blaise (Sierre)
      La perfection!

      Que ce soit au niveau des conseils donnés par le team Support, de la rapidité du traitement de ma commande et de la qualité de finition des articles qui m'ont été livrés (dont ce magnifique set en Isu no Ki non vernis), je ne peux que relever les prestations irréprochables fournies par Seido!

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      Guillermo (Nivelles)
      Magnifique, tout simplement !

      Je viens de recevoir mon colis ce matin, mon premier achat. Je dois bien confirmer que le set complet est tout simplement magnifique en finition non vernis. Le touché est d'une extrême finesse. Produit tout à fait conforme à ma demande et de plus avec une livraison rapide même avec des ajouts personnels (Gravure = 5*). Très prochainement, en pratique au Dojo ... Je recommande sans restriction aucune !

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      D. Aiona (Kapaau, Hi)
      Excellent Product & Shipping!

      Seido,
      Thank you very much for the service on my order. The Tsubanashi Bokken, Jo & Tanto set with the optional weapons bag in sakura fabric is an excellent offering on your website. The quality of materials and craftsmanship can't be beat. My order took less than a week to arrive from Japan to Hawaii. Honestly, I expected it to arrive in a couple of months. When I took my new weapons out of the box, I could instantly feel the spiritual power in which it was made. Every weapon was well balanced-meeting my expectations! Giving customers the option of having their name burned into the blades and handles is an added plus! Needless to say that my family was impressed! Once again, thank you Seido for the wonderful weaponry that I will honorably use to improve my practice in Aikido. I will be ordering again soon! Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much) from Hawaii.

      For compliance reasons, reviews placed in French and Japanese and imported here on February 2024 do not display as 'verified'.
      When importing Japanese reviews, the impossibility to automatically determine the presence of a familly name forced us to label all Japanese reviews as 'anonymous' (Familly names in roman characters have been filtered out).

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    Product & Services

    Tsubanashi Bokken, Jo & Tanto [Aikido Set]: ¥17,900
    Bokken Laser Engraving - N°1: ¥1,200
    Bokken Laser Engraving - N°2: ¥1,200
    Bokken Laser Engraving - N°3: ¥1,200
    Shoto Laser Engraving - N°1: ¥1,200
    Shoto Laser Engraving - N°2: ¥1,200
    Shoto Laser Engraving - N°3: ¥1,200
    Jo, Bo & Hanbo Laser Engraving - N°1: ¥1,200
    Jo, Bo & Hanbo Laser Engraving - N°2: ¥1,200
    Jo, Bo & Hanbo Laser Engraving - N°3: ¥1,200
    Tanto Laser Engraving - N°1: ¥1,200
    Tanto Laser Engraving - N°2: ¥1,200
    Tanto Laser Engraving - N°3: ¥1,200
    Katanakake Laser Engraving - N°1: ¥1,200
    Katanakake Laser Engraving - N°2: ¥1,200
    Nunchaku Laser Engraving N°1 - First Branch: ¥1,200
    Nunchaku Laser Engraving N°2 - First Branch: ¥1,200
    Nunchaku Laser Engraving N°1 - Second Branch: ¥1,200
    Nunchaku Laser Engraving N°2 - Second Branch: ¥1,200
    Tonfa Laser Engraving N°1: ¥1,200
    Tonfa Laser Engraving N°2: ¥1,200
    Kenju Laser Engraving N°1: ¥1,200
    Kenju Laser Engraving N°2: ¥1,200

    Accessories

    1 x Carry Bag Bokken/Jo/Tanto (nylon): ¥7,600
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    1 x Bokken & Jo Linen bag: ¥6,400
    1 x Tsubaki Abura (Camellia Oil): ¥2,000
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